As previously reported Podiatry school applications are down only about 600 so far this year. This is not enough to sustain 8-10 schools. But why are the Podiatry School Applications down? There are multiple reasons; some transitory, some permanent.
1. Unemployment is down and there is a labor shortage. The dirty secret for years is a poor economy is good for Podiatry Schools. But now people are graduating college with multiple options. There is no longer “The I don’t have anything to do after graduation so I will attend Podiatry School” person.
2. The Debt is massive. You accumulate similar debt to students in medical school but graduate with a restricted license. The debt now exceeds 250k for a four year Podiatry school education. This is getting to the unsustainable part. There is too much competition for students to sell them on that debt. Also, there are more inexpensive options to get into the medical field than to attend Podiatry school and accumulate massive debt.
3. PA and NP schools. The fact is PA and NP schools increase every year in enrollment every day. More and more PA and NPs graduate and enter the workforce. PA and NPs are not limited license. They can and will treat all maladies. In fact PAs and NPs will treat foot and ankle disorders. And guess what, PA and NPs is a shorter schooling with no residency, more inexpensive with similar salary expectations.
4. Other Podiatrists – There are a lot of bitter Podiatrists out there. And I am sure when asked will tell prospective Podiatrists what they think of the profession. If some of these prospective students talk to the wrong Podiatrist it can have an effect.
These 4 reasons plus others have lead to a decrease in Podiatry School Applications.
First, you went to Podiatry School ( not Podiatric Medical School), thats a PR nomenclature to capture young college students attention. Second, you do NOT do a “residency program” in Podiatry. No such thing. Another PR thing to brainwash students. MD/DO programs are in ACGME approved teaching hospitals. Third, board certification is a joke in Podiatry, how many board certifications are there? and then you divide the foot up….if you dont see that as a joke then you drank the toe fungus kool-aid. Fourth, the profession has not evolved to keep up with MDs/DOs/PAs/NPs. The podiatry schools are losing 4th… Read more »
I can’t find anything untrue with what “hate facts” wrote. Got that students?
My opinions.
Completion of a PMSR/RRA is needed to obtain an ankle permit to treat the ankle in NYS.
If enrollment is increased then less podiatrists can be matched with a PMSR/RRA.
All that education, time and money and one cannot treat the ankle in states such as NYS is problematic.
A nurse practitioner can treat the ankle and does not have to complete residency training.
Well Dan isn’t that why you said you also practice in New Jersey? Is that an end around to touch the ankle when you didn’t get a residency?
26cm of fun, and they want to touch an ankle. The liability lawyers/med mal shysters are gonna have a field day with these noctors
One way to treat the ankle is to get a license in states such as New Jersey and Florida.
Some states are fair and do not mandate residency training if one has been practicing a certain number of years.
If someone wants to treat the ankle, in NYS a nurse practitioner does not require residency training. Anyone who wants to practice treating the ankle in NYS should consider the advantages of becoming a nurse practitioner.
Dan, this is why your dumb and didn’t get a program and SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO TOUCH AN ANKLE IN ANY STATE. It’s NOT GEOGRAPHY STUPID IT’S COMPETENCE. You NEVER HAD A PROGRAM. YOU HAVEN’T BEEN TRAINED. WHY THEN SHOULD YOU BE ALLOWED TO DO SOMETHING YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TESTED OR TRAINED IN. You always say you’re about the patients. Why not think of the patient with an ankle problem. YOU are NOT doing that person a good service. HE THINKS you’re a trained DOCTOR. Not a NON MD who can’t even treat in your own state! It’s NOT… Read more »
I had a history of informal training by the cases I assisted the surgeon of record, and I was the attending of record and taught podiatry residents who assisted me. I am board certified in podiatric medicine.
Please understand that a license to practice podiatry is one step in having an opportunity to upgrade ones skills. One can always ask for assistance from others to obtain additional training and experience.
YOUR METHOD IS NOT THE LAW. IT IS NOT THE METHOD OF ACCEPTED STANDARD OF CARE. TRAINING REQUIRES A LEGALLY REGIMENTED TIME PERIOD WITH EXAMINATIONS, AND PERSONAL REPORTING BY AN APPROVED TRAINING LEADERSHIP. You cannot make up YOUR OWN PROGRAM OR LAWS. There is NO SUCH pathway as INFORMAL TRAINING AND ASSISTING. You have been consistently TRYING TO AVOID ACCEPTED PATHS AND THIS AVOIDANCE MAKES YOU DANGEROUS TO THE PUBLIC. LET THIS BE A STATEMENT OF RECORD TO ANY ATTORNEY GOING AGAINST YOU THAT I WILL TESTIFY THAT YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY TRIED TO TREAT THE PUBLIC WITHOUT APPROVED TRAINING INORDER… Read more »
Robert, in 1984 there was a shortage of residency training programs. Yet there was a path to upgrade ones skills and obtain board certification in podiatric orthopedics back then. I have for more than 35 years treated 1000 s of patients and never was sued for podiatric malpractice. Why would any attorney want to sue me so many of the 1000s of patients I treated are happy with my treatments? It would be an undue hardship for me to leave my practice and go back for residency training so I could become board certified in podiatric medicine again. For your… Read more »
Dear Anonymous. Your own state society screwed over people like you!
If you TRULY MEANT YOU CARED ABOUT PATIENTS, YOU WOULDN’T LIE TO THEM. You wouldn’t go to New Joesy and touch their ankles because your not even considered competent in your own main state of N YAWK. You say you haven’t been sued. Perhaps it’s because you do so little surgery on your own. It would be pretty bad if you got sued for cutting toenails, making arch supports, or playing dermoscopists. Sorry, but I can’t be a friends with someone who is DELUSIONAL and thinks the “podiatric medical” board is real and relevant. BTW, don’t give me the “shortage… Read more »
“You didn’t work hard enough.”
There was a podiatric orthopedic residency I wanted to get. I was the only person in my class to get 100% on the biomechanical final.
Do you really think grades have anything to do with getting matched with a podiatric residency?
My personal opinion is luck had a lot to do with this. My guess is if you knew someone, you also had an advantage. Also if you graduated during a time where there was a residency surplus, you more than likely got matched.
I did not do much elective surgery because after explaining the risks benefits and alternatives, post op healing problems, many patients opted for conservative care.
I do however perform a lot of wound care, for many patients over the course of my career.
Robert, just because we disagree does not mean that we cannot be respectful towards each other. After all, life is short, and we gotta enjoy it.
You repeated what you wrote in a previous blog. I answered you there. Point: I graduated in ’76 and got a program. Why couldn’t you get one in ’84 when there were a lot more opportunities?
Robert, this is not a competition between you and me. What we can share would be a mutual respect for each other. We share the same goals of helping our patients.
As far as wound care http://www.dermoscopy.coffeecup.com
shows a PowerPoint presentation regarding wound care.
Are MD s trained to perform bunion surgery yet licensed and allowed to do so? A license to perform.something is a first step to acquire training and experience. Furthermore updated texts such as Cecil internal medicine, Robbins and Contra the basis of pathology. Man’s Surgery of the Foot and Ankle were expensive but well worth it. Learning from MD s as well as podiatrists can also help upgrade ones knowledge. I treated 1000’s of patients, never gotten sued, and was fortunate to begin practicing in the 1980’s. However, now I feel it is more difficult for a new podiatrist to… Read more »
A license IS THE FIRST STEP but it’s also the LAST STEP IF YOU DO NOT GET ACCEPTED INTO FURTHER TRAINING. You were NOT ACCEPTED SO YOU’RE DONE.
Then why did a hospital privilege me as well as allow me to teach podiatric residents in approved programs. I was not done. I continued and became board certified in podiatric orthopedics which at that time did not require podiatric residency training. As in any profession when people age they find that younger practitioners need to fulfill additional training requirements to become licensed. Older practitioners should not be required to leave their practice to complete additional formal residency training to maintain a license to practice.
Are you saying some hospital allowed you to TEACH SURGERY when you yourself NEVER WERE TRAINED IN SURGERY?! Something’s fishy, and the orthopedic board (now the medical board) never was considered a valid board except by those that started it, profited from it and who used it to discriminate, and WHO MANY OF HAVE FLUNKED THE SURGICAL BOARD. The “orthopedic board” was basically the ARCH SUPPORT BOARD. It was so quack they had to change the name to hide the quackery.
Why is something fishy if I was on staff at a hospital before a formal podiatric residency was approved. The first residents in any program has to have hospital attendings teach them
Your writing the same thing in different topical areas.
“Are MD s trained to perform bunion surgery yet licensed and allowed to do so?” YES. I don’t like feet, but would do it if it was necessary – Sadly a lot of the P people don’t have the basic medical background and organ systems to prepare them for seven + years of post MD surgical training. So use the scope-detector, be the “oh” doctor, sit at the kiddy table. Was just hanging out with an anesthesiologist and burned out ORS and nothing has changed pods are at the mercy of the dept of surgery and all those “certifications” don’t… Read more »
Hope all is well with you Robert.
Regarding “it’s not geography stupid it’s competence”
In the United States ones scope of practice depends upon the geographic state they practice in. The granting of a license does not mean one is competent to independently practice the full scope. A license does open a path for one to obtain additional training and experience.
If anyone calls me dumb I refer them to http://www.dermoscopy.coffeecup.com
YOU’RE WRONG AGAIN DAN. It IS competence. One needs the competence of an APPROVED BOARD FIRST BEFORE SEEKING OUT THE LOCATION so it is competence first. You’re confusing mixed up podiatry with real medicine. A FULL LICENSE (AS AN MD HAS) DOES MEAN ONE IS COMPETENT TO PRACTICE FULLY! THERE ARE NOT PARTIAL LICENSES IN THE MD WORLD. An MD could never be sued for doing brain surgery if he was a dermatologist IF THE SURGERY WORKED AND WAS DONE CORRECTLY! Yet a wtf, even if he did perfect work, WOULD BE PRACTICING MEDICINE WITHOUT A LICENSE IF HE WENT… Read more »
“IT’S UP TO THE MD TO LIMIT HIMSELF AND IF HE MISREGULATES HIMSELF THEN HE’S RESPONSIBLE. MD’s are left to THEMSELVES because they are actual physicians.” One does not need the competence but instead the certification by the State Board of Medical Examiners BEFORE SEEKING OUT THE LOCATION. For example in New Jersey, a podiatrist must give satisfactory evidence of having completed all the requirements of the State Board of Medical Examiners to have a license to practice podiatry. Perhaps it could be argued that in Florida and New Jersey, its up to the DPM to limit themselves and if… Read more »
Are you for real Daniel?
Robert, would suggest you use his ruminations as a case study in mental derangements which are quite prominent in podupetry
Dan is a definite, “it speaks for itself” example of someone UNABLE TO ACCEPT HIS REJECTION.
Daniel–please speak with Leevee, Gassworthless, and or Shylock they can help you discuss your fascinating thoughts and perhaps chat about indoctrination/brainwashing/propaganda. Are you still wearing 2-3masks, a welder’s shield 4x boosted while driving?
Dan is a good example of the LIVES DAMAGED BY THE BARRY BLOCK-APMA TYPE OF PROPAGANDA THAT STARTS IN DAY ONE OF QUACK COLLEGE. They make podiatry a dirty profession.
Dan You PROVE you SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED to touch the ankle and maybe not even the foot! It’s NOT a matter of FAIRNESS, it’s a matter about COMPETENCE. IT’S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU. You claim you are such a patient advocate yet YOU WANT TO TREAT AN AREA YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TRAINED IN. GIVE IT UP. YOU FLUNKED. YOU DIDN’T GET A PROGRAM. NYS SAYS YOU’RE NOT COMPETENT TO TOUCH AN ANKLE. If you feel MORAL enough to CHEAT and go to an area that TECHNICALLY allows you touch the ankle that’s on you. If you get in a… Read more »
Daniel-who’s other “opinions” would they be? We all know-you didn’t get the podiatry residumpsey. Podiatry training is NOT recognized by real medicine. It’s just starring at backs of necks, riding the bicycle and fetching coffee at DO BO assworths community hospital. please continue writing into barry dolthead’s whack off site looking at silly shoes for stress? Are you still wearing 2 masks and a welder’s shield while showering? Podiatry–organized podiatry fkd you , and you STILL support it and listen in to shylock’s “news” blast and think jokesephs should get millions of dollars repeating drug dealer propaganda. Where’s your singing… Read more »
DANIEL!! Welcome back Bro. How’s that stress relief doing while looking at Harry’s silly shoe pictures? Did you see the one with maggots?
Desperados,
It’s not Harry. It’s Barry the nerd/nebbish, lawyer, that graduated at the bottom of his class.
A total loser. A shyster. A shrimp. A lil POS
Stupid people aren’t good at solving problems, smart people aren’t even good at solving problems. Look around you. What do you see? “Educated” stupid people with a whole lot of self censoring. Now, get those masks on, get at least 4-5x boosters, watch the “news” and believe…
PODIATRIC LEADERS ARE DEFINITELY NOT GOOD AT SOLVING PROBLEMS. EVIDENCE? 50 YEARS OF STAGNATION AND ARCH SUPPORT, SHOE SALES, AND TOENAILS AND A CERTIFICATE NO ONE RECOGNIZES. DPWTF?
Truth was tough for many. Where’s that mask? Shove it up your ass. Brainwashed simps and cucks
This was a good profession 40 years ago. You take your 3.00 GPA, you take the MCATs, score doesn’t matter, and you go 4 years to Podiatry school. There are no residencies and you open an office and you do forefoot procedures in your office along with routine foot care and orthotics. You get really good reimbursement. It made economic sense..at that time. NOW..its a disaster, reimbursement poor, expenses high, others ( PA,NP) doing foot care. Private practice dead. I have 1 year till 62 and Im done with this. Those who say that this is a great profession, it… Read more »
THINKING DPM: “the leader’s have torn and fragmented the profession to shreds”…and there it is, a dirty profession because DIRTY MEN ARE IN CONTROL OF IT! Everything “thinking” says is 100%. Don’t look for this in Barry Block’s greedy blog.
Dirty men will NOT give up that control bc it’s so so profitable. Plus most podlings are dumber than shit. So it’s easy pickins’ to sell them manufactured “needs” and require dues and fee payments for life. What a bleepin’ racket
Podiatry is definitely a RACKET. From selling seminars, to Barry Block selling advertisements, to the average pod selling supports shoes and “surgery”. Podiatry has money as its raison d’ existance”. MD’s are smart. They see right through the “pretenders”.
Thank you and enjoy years away from podiatry!
“This was a good profession 40 years ago. You take your 3.00 GPA, you take the MCATs, score doesn’t matter, and you go 4 years to Podiatry school. There are no residencies and you open an office and you do forefoot procedures in your office along with routine foot care and orthotics. You get really good reimbursement. It made economic sense..at that time.” My opinion is I agree with the above. As far as the present, a nurse practitioner is an excellent opportunity, because one does not have to worry about becoming matched with a podiatry residency program. I feel… Read more »
First, you went to Podiatry School ( not Podiatric Medical School), thats a PR nomenclature to capture young college students attention. Second, you do NOT do a “residency program” in Podiatry. No such thing. Another PR thing to brainwash students. MD/DO programs are in ACGME approved teaching hospitals. Third, board certification is a joke in Podiatry, how many board certifications are there? and then you divide the foot up….if you dont see that as a joke then you drank the toe fungus kool-aid. Fourth, the profession has not evolved to keep up with MDs/DOs/PAs/NPs. The podiatry schools are losing 4th… Read more »
A simpler answer. Podiatry went to far away from its roots and this is what will cost the profession its life. No need for three year “residencies”. Its not about rearfoot surgery….LOL
REARFOOT surgery is a LIE. It is made up. We did surgery ALL OVER THE FOOT historically and traditionally. Because it’s INSECURE MEN THAT FEEL THE NEED TO BE IN “POWER POSITIONS” THEY NEEDED to find a distinction. So….They ARBITRAIRILY divided the foot up to MAKE UP a distinction. Podiatrists ARE SO INSECURE THEY EVEN NEED TO “ONE UP” EACH OTHER attempting to look further from Chiropody but NEVER REACHING REAL MD medicine levels themselves. Tarsal Tunnels, heel spurs (fascia’s) Haglunds and TAL’s (at least the lowest level in NY) were all routine in one year residencies. Even the old… Read more »
Facts don’t care about your feelings–Daniel has lots of problems with reality. It’s a form of podiatrickal psychosis–loss of contact w/reality.
When you FINALLY ACCEPT that you are NOT AN ACTUAL DOCTOR the shock is like finding out your parents are NOT REALLY YOUR PARENTS. It causes permanent devastation to the psyche. Lifers can NEVER ACCEPT the truth that they have been LIED TO all this time. That’s why podiatry has so many twisted thinkers. Podiatry is an additional CRUEL TRICK on those already suffering from medical school rejection.
The simple answer> There is no economic future in Podiatry. Numbers DONT lie like DPMs lie. Reimbursement way way way down, expenses way way way up and every other health profession out there can do foot and ankle care WITH a FULL LICENSE.
Solo practice is dead, Group practice will start to die soon.
“do foot and ankle care WITH A FULL LICENSE”. Hear that CPME, APMA, QUACK COLLEGES, BARRY BLOCKHEAD?, A FULL LICENSE at least be like your betters…..the P.A.’S They can give vaccinations and EVEN CUT TOENAILS WITHOUT PERMISSION but why would they when they have podiatrists as THEIR ASSISTANTS.
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And the stupid greedy CONTROLLERS build another school! Attention students considering podiatry. FORGET IT if you want to be an ACTUAL DOCTOR or do more than minor medicine. You will be a frustrated bitter limitied licensed technician and your friends that became PA’s will be amazed at HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW. (BIOMECHQUACTICS DOESN’T COUNT BECAUSE THERE’S SO LITTLE CONSENSUS ON WHAT’S REAL) Go ahead. Use your fingers to find the center of the heel or your quactograph that moves and gives nearly useless numbers. Some crooked foot tech has the government conned and is getting money for the schools. HONEST… Read more »
There’s money in stupidity.